Tuesday, August 01, 2006

The Baddest Boy in the Bible









i've begin reading a book, sent to my by a very dear friend..."the sampson syndrome". in the last few months i've read lots of "guy" books, and just today i think it hit me as to to why. well actually, there are probably two reasons...i have been blessed with all girls and (1) thru the years we've read so many "girl" books, and (2) realizing that my girls are somewhat (ok VERY) interested in guys, i figure i better stay a step ahead of them. (grin) seriously, i do see my girls' personalities and hearts coming alive and see them looking to their future.

i'm not feeling stressed, yet i do feel it's my responsibility to have wisdom for them as they ask. not that i have all the perfect answers, but that at least they can have some options from someone they trust. i've covered everything in prayer and now i'm enjoying learning from others who are much wiser than me.

so, anyway the sampson syndrome talks about strong guys. my girls are definitley drawn to the strong type guy...i don't mean the macho, physically strong, but the inside strength that God created in them. the kind of strength that shows that God gave men everything they need to "make it happen", "succeed", "come thru". as john eldredge puts it "do guys really dream of being a nice guy, or do they dream of being dashing? and girls, are you looking for nice, or do you dream of the knight and shining armor....strong enough, brave enough to resque you from the villians." (paraphrased)

to me their are two types of guys...guys who aren't afriad to be leaders (even tho they may fail at times) and the ones that won't even consider leading (becos they already know they will fail).

of course as i study sampson, i see that he has no problem accepting the leadership role, however allows his strength to get in his way. men of strength have many great aspects...full of adventure, fun, excitment. at the same time there are many tendencies that can cause these mighty warriors to fall. some of these things may be, strong men tend to

1. break rules...sometimes they find it difficult to realize that most rules are good. take any rule you can think of and ask yourself what what happens if everybody disobeyed it. your imagination will tell you if it's a good rule.

2. disregard boundries...not that they wake up one day and suddenly decide to trash their bounderies. instead they generally slip gradually into a life of disobedience by making a series of small compromises....and all the time relying on their great strength to be the saftey net. "i can handle it" was probably sampson's motto.

3. ignore good advice...they often are bound and determined to do things their way, even at the risk of disaster. sampson is a perfect example of what can happen when strong, capable men close their ears to good advice. the book suggest that strong men tend to feel that asking for advice appears to make them seem weak. when actually, look at some of the most strong, successful men in history...they have surrounded themselves with great advisors. it's said that woodrow wilson once asked a member of his staff to identify the most intelligent, most informed, and most eloquent member of the opposing political party. "what for?" the staffer asked. "becos i want to hire him," wilson responded. "hire him , what in the world for?" "i want to keep me from going blind." wilson said. point is before you willingly blind yourself to all opposing points of view, stop and consider a simple but powerful truth that pres. wilson must have understood: the world is full of people who have achieved great success without doing things your way.

these are just 3 of the 12 negative tendancies that this study gives. and i must say that "strong" men have sooooo many great postive effects and purposes. and personally i hate focusing on negatives, but there's just wisdom in knowing some things.

23 Comments:

Blogger Chel said...

I'll be interested to see your further thoughts on this topic. I am intrigued by all of the attention I've seen given lately to the concept of the 'strong man' and what exactly people believe that means.

12:31 PM  
Blogger Radical One said...

hey chel! for me the "strong man" means the man that is willing to stand up when everyone else gives in and quits, yet wise enough to be able to listen and heed counsel....that does the right thing, just becos it's the right thing to do (not to just look good to others)..doesn't allow others (with the exception of God) to dictate who he is or what he does. hope that explains a little.

hope this helps, in some small way.

2:27 PM  
Blogger no_average_girl said...

hey Mom...Great post! Authentic strong guys are definitely hard to find and rare. It's crazy how guys seem to think that "nice" guys are what every Christian girl wants - and the guys who go opposite are like the "control" freaks who think they are always right and must rule with an iron fist or something. I wish guys would realize how important it is to find a balance....

Thanks for all your help in the area of guys! I think you picked out one of the best to pick when you married Dad! :-)

2:40 PM  
Blogger Jim said...

We could dwell on the opposites of those negatives, it would be a 'how to' instead of 'how not to?'
These are good topics. I won't bite, it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks, they say.
Oh yes, nice pictures as usual. Are we having boy friends now. Those girls need to know what to look for. I'm sure you've had many discussions about good men choices before now.
..

9:03 PM  
Blogger Ryan S. said...

Lisa,

You might find this amusing. I was fishing in Google's News headlines, and I find these reports. The central message is that attractive moms are statistically more likely to have daughters. The British media and the Washington Post are reporting this as well.

http://tinyurl.com/gmset
http://tinyurl.com/qtxg6
http://tinyurl.com/mm6wb

10:49 PM  
Blogger Ryan S. said...

Speaking to the topic at hand, I think it is good that you ladies are not beholden to the error that a man becoming more spiritual means losing one's manhood. It is regrettably common that some think growing spiritual means becoming feminine or embracing a feminized spirituality. There is a Biblical conception of manhood that needs to be recovered and revered, instead it is frequently put down by the popular evangelical culture. Many see past this error though, despite the pretenious pious crowd who reinforces this asinine error.

One of my married lady friends told me, she just expects the man to be the man. I think mutual fealty in marriage begins when women recognize that fact. It doesn't mean the woman gets ran over like a bull-dozer by a guy who has 'authority' over her. Far from it. Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church.

Us guys like doing guy-stuff. Sometimes, it amuses women whether they admit it or not They think it's funny. I used to hang with a friend of mine who is a preacher's son, and he was calling into these local television shows, and playacting and pretending to be someone he was not. One time, his woman would come in, rolled her eyes at us, but she really found it funny even if she didn't admit it. She turned to watching the videotapes of the antics over and over for her own amusement.

Regarding Maegan's remarks, I would add in boyfriend/girlfriends, the guy has no authority over the lady but rather only God and their parents do. Following courtship principles, the gentleman suitor always respects the authority of the parents of their romantic interest.

Control freaks are insecure. They want to know what their woman is doing 24/7 because they are afraid of losing her 24/7.

Then there are types of guys that don't care or pretend not to care about their woman. They show up late. They don't return phone calls. They say all women are crazy. Wait a minute! That sounds like my brother. His most recent GF is straightening him out, and keeping him in church.

Finally, getting past the classic John Eldridge books, which I'm familiar with, I think if you wanted depth to understanding Biblical manhood, you would be advised to check out Future Men by Douglas Wilson. It's a good book to read on Biblical manhood and perhaps pass off to your daughter's gentleman callers.

http://tinyurl.com/rctru

11:29 PM  
Blogger Luke said...

I have a great Bible Study given to me by a mentor on what the Bible calls men to be in a marriage relationship. I'll try and email it to you sometime.

7:11 AM  
Blogger Kimber said...

Great post girlfriend! I know you and I have been blessed with "Strong Godly Men" who are devoted to following God and leading their wives and children with love, strength and humility by seeking wisdom and advice on making decisions based on godly input. It is truly a gift to have that in our lives.

And I pray that God continues to direct young men and women on seeking out how to live and be with one another in a truly godly fashion. So, I appreciate this post and the way that you seek out wisdom and go knocking on it's door!

8:39 AM  
Blogger Gordon Cloud said...

Very nice post, Lisa. A weakness in our churches today is a lack of men who are willing to simply be men. Not control freaks or anything like that, just godly men.

This reminded me of something I read in a book by Louis L'amour, "There's no stopping a man who knows he's in the right and keeps on a'comin'."

9:05 AM  
Blogger Looney Mom said...

I'm not sure why or how I keep forgetting to come by here; I think it's cuz you're not on my Blog Buddy list *sigh*. I need to get over here and be blessed more! I need to start studying up on this subject too!!! Eeek!

10:37 AM  
Blogger Jean-Luc Picard said...

I know what you mean, Lisa. A 'strong' person doesn't mean one who is tough.

10:45 AM  
Blogger Radical One said...

thanks guys and gals for all of this insight so far! i know i sure don't have all the answers and i absolutely love your thoughts and wisdom.

jim, perhaps you are the most wise of us all!

ryan, thanks for the amusing links...i will take that as a huge compliment. those articles were um...interesting! ha

i've already ordered the "future men" book. the head line on the book sounds intriguing, tough but not arrogant? mannered but not soft? imaginative but not lazy? bold but not hollow? looking forward to diving in.

i admit my view is a little imbalanced right now, simply becos there are so many passive Christian guys. it's just so discouraging to watch girls taking the leadership roles while the guys simply sit by.

you mentioned courtship, and i would say that we are probably closer to that idea than just recreational dating. i suppose there are many views on courtship and i would dare to guess where we fit in. perhaps we're kinda balanced on this issue. now wouldn't that be grand! ha

and you're right on target when you say "It is regrettably common that some think growing spiritual means becoming feminine or embracing a feminized spirituality." not my thoughts at all. to me it shows the inner strength of a man when he chooses to grow spiritually. granted, it's one of the hardest things a strong man can do. think of sampson, we never see where he let his pride down long enough to praise, honor and worship God, he only prayed when in trouble.

luke, i will look forward to getting your email. thanks for caring!

gordon, i'm sure you deal with these subjects more often than you'd like. seeing it first hand, over and over has probably given you much wisdom. thanks for all you do!

and kimber, my dear friend! thanks for your continued prayer and never ending encouragment. you and i are such kindred spirits.

for you maegan, you know my heart. you know my prayer. you just keep doing what's right, seeking God and trusting Him. He knows the desires of your heart and He will not let you down.

11:37 AM  
Blogger Ryan S. said...

Maegan said, "It's crazy how guys seem to think that 'nice' guys are what every Christian girl wants..."

I don't presuppose you would want the polar opposite of a nice guy by any means. So, please don't misunderstand me herein. But a lady I studied with in law school told me that some girls just like guys who are bad boys. You know, the tough guy that walks all over women, shows up late, makes a lot of misogynist remarks, and they take no guff from no one whether their buddies or their girlfriend. Whereas, some guys are obsessive with their mates, these guys just don't care. They don't return phone calls. They show up late. I have trouble understanding what motivates this type of woman who would like such a misfit. That another woman acknowledges these personalities exist among women confirms something I long suspected. Such women don't seem like they are very mature Christians, if they are at all.

I just find it ironic how sometimes the bad boys get rewarded more than the nice guys. Some girls have conditioned themselves to mistreat the nice guys and walk all over them, because they don't fit the bad boy mold they were expecting. Myself, I could never get away with such a bad boy act, besides it is not called for anyway. Plus, I would only come across as obnoxious if I made any such attempt. I wouldn't be real either. So, I will continue to be Mr. Nice Guy.

4:32 PM  
Blogger Crystal said...

Yep, I have a friend who displayed all 3 qualities and now he is in prison. He's getting better but we are still having to really get on him about cleaning up.

5:36 PM  
Blogger no_average_girl said...

Oh wow, I think what I was trying to say come out so wrong. Thanks so much for letting me know how my comment sounded, Ryan!

If you will give me another chance, I'd like an opportunity to clear up a few things... :-)

I'm definitly not interested in the bad boy, but I guess the way I said it, it probably did sound that way. So please let it be known that I have no problem with a "nice guy" in the way that you're using it, Ryan. The discouraging part for me is when guys allow people tell them how to live their lives. Maybe it's more about leadership.

I am very much impressed with a gentleman, someone who shows up on time, respects their buddies as well as their girlfriends. So no I dont want the polar opposite of a nice guy. And I'm with you in not understanding what girls are thinking when they chose a "bad boy."

I'm thankful to hear that you could never let yourself get away with the bad boy act, that's honorable. I admire you for addressing this, even if it does make me feel a little saddened that i came across as pro "bad boys".

Thanks for standing up for yourself and for the "nice guys", thanks for being real. I have much respect for you, Mr. Nice Guy!

9:56 PM  
Blogger Mom With Three said...

I am enjoying this discussion! But, I have one question -- I know you love to take pictures, but why were you taking them in the grocery store???? :-)

4:57 AM  
Blogger Radical One said...

looney mom, thanks for stopping by and i'm glad you're being blessed. this subject is sure keeping me on my toes! (smile)

jean-luc picard, thanks for summing it up so short and sweet, that's always good for me. i get so long winded that i sometimes miss the point.

crystal, exactly the point that i'm making here. listen, learn, apply or else you end up like your friend. thanks for the sobering bottom line.

mom with three, it's interesting you ask that question. believe it or not it was part of a b-day celebration. see, as a mom i had all the plans for the b-day girl (maegan) and when i told her that we had a group of her close friends going bowling that nite, she said, "awwe mom, i think i'd rather just grab ice cream, go home and have a party with my friends there." well, i was disappointed (cos of course we moms always have the best ideas!) and maegan NEVER wants to pass up bowling with friends, but afterall it was her day, so i relented. the next day, i found out that there had been a shooting, and a college guy killed, at the time and place we were going bowling. i had cold chills.

ryan and maegan! enjoying your insight and perspectives. i do feel you two are on the same page, just coming at it from different angles, and perhaps maegan should use another term in place of "nice guy"....hollow? passive? dormant? complacent? and turn the tables around, all those words can be true of us as ladies as well. my point in all this is that we should be all that God has created us to be and to live our lives with passion for things that matter most. i'd love to hear more discussion on this from you two!

6:24 AM  
Blogger Rabenstrange said...

Great post! I think our culture id trying to push men to act more like women and to quit being assertive and bold.

In my opinion this is a tragedy. I don't want to be one of the passive, follow the leader sheeple that are so often idealized.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Paula said...

There is definately wisdom in knowing the weaknesses or negative aspects. I think if you get any more wisdom, you'll pop! :) Love ya!

1:14 PM  
Blogger Jada's Gigi said...

What woman doens't want a strong man? We all do I suspect. Strong can be many different things though..as you mentioned...it takes a strong and wise man to hear advice so that's one way to be strong.
I like your response to chel...good definition of strong men and what it means to me too. It really doens't have much to do with physical strength...and if your girls are anything like mine...they NEED strong men...cause they are very strong themselves already and need someone to balance them out...like me too...I am blessed to have someone who can handle me...cause I'm a handful sometimes...lol

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